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Offline admin  
#41 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 3:47:24 PM(UTC)
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Thank you, Hokey. I appreciate your concern and support.

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#42 Posted : Thursday, June 13, 2013 11:59:38 PM(UTC)
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I got mine today too. Our only real choice now is to work to get the rules changed. This will keep Brewhaus and Rick in bussiness as well as us legally in our hobby.
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#43 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 12:55:44 AM(UTC)
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Well I checked my account history and it seems that the only thing that was purchased in the three year window was my new boiler.
I hope that they would think that I'm not worth the effort to investigate as I don't want them to know how many guns or how much ammo I have in my possession. That would likely be information more valuable to them than my little hobby.
The problem with the Government snooping around your home is that they will likely put you on one of their watch list. They will do anything to gain more power over us.
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#44 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 3:13:43 AM(UTC)
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Can you mark mine as "Purpose: Distilled water production" ? :)
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#45 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 3:26:33 AM(UTC)
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We do not submit the purpose, but must maintain the list and report 'regardless of intended purpose'.
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#46 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 5:34:05 AM(UTC)
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lots of un necessary posts because of paranoia-
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#47 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 9:26:18 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: scotty Go to Quoted Post
lots of un necessary posts because of paranoia-

Hey Scotty,
Just because your paranoid, doesn't mean they are not out to get youBigGrin

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#48 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 10:59:43 AM(UTC)
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I'm 71 years old and not afraid of the government. My grandparents all became citizen after stopping at Ellis island
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#49 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 2:45:08 PM(UTC)
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I think that most of here are conservatives as most liberals are simply pot smokers of coke addicts, and therefore I do feel that we stand a very good chance to get targeted by this administration!
Just look at the recent events that this bunch in D.C. have been caught in, I mean I am a little concerned!
Maybe they feel the need to bust a nation wide criminal enterprise to help them regain some credibility. I think they are really that desperate.
Ever since the Boston Bombers turned out to be Muslims instead of Conservative Christians and NRA members they have lost some credibility!
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#50 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 11:03:34 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: old stump juicer Go to Quoted Post
I think that most of here are conservatives as most liberals are simply pot smokers of coke addicts, and therefore I do feel that we stand a very good chance to get targeted by this administration!
Just look at the recent events that this bunch in D.C. have been caught in, I mean I am a little concerned!
Maybe they feel the need to bust a nation wide criminal enterprise to help them regain some credibility. I think they are really that desperate.
Ever since the Boston Bombers turned out to be Muslims instead of Conservative Christians and NRA members they have lost some credibility!

Hey Stump Juicer,
I think you have hit the nail on the head. What those scumbag marathon bombers did was take a simple pressure cooker and turn it into a bomb. What we produce in our hobby could very easily be turned into a weapon. This could be the reason for the TTB inquiry possibly at the direction of homeland security. Mayby just information gathering?
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#51 Posted : Friday, June 14, 2013 11:05:45 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: scotty Go to Quoted Post
I'm 71 years old and not afraid of the government. My grandparents all became citizen after stopping at Ellis island

Hey Scotty,
Sorry if that came across wrong, I meant it as humor.
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#52 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:03:06 AM(UTC)
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I understood MD-- I guess my response is to all the fear that is going around-- I'm getting weary of the pleasure we all get from this hobby being taken away by the greed of our politicians. I despise ALL of them. Sorry if I gave you the impression that my annoyance was directed at you. I always depend on you and a few others to post the truth about anything. :)
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#53 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:07:27 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Maddawgs Go to Quoted Post
Hey Stump Juicer,
I think you have hit the nail on the head. What those scumbag marathon bombers did was take a simple pressure cooker and turn it into a bomb. What we produce in our hobby could very easily be turned into a weapon. This could be the reason for the TTB inquiry possibly at the direction of homeland security. Mayby just information gathering?
Maddawgs
Combined with data from PRISM, they can build any case....

You have to ask - why didnt the info gathering catch the bombers (And we had Russian warnings too)? or Newtown?, or that lunatic cop in California (Dornan) - because - we have a Muslim lady in the white house directing one of the weakest, inept, and most incompetent immigrant that ever walked the earth and occupied an office in government. Even Grant was better than this loser.

Keep in mind, that in an islamic state, alcohol is expressly forbidden. The Turkish people are getting a "taste" of that now...

I do think that Stump's reason is the best one I have heard yet. They are collecting info for correlation purposes. What will they do with it? - well, they use a process know as comparative data scoring - It's a deduction engine, deducing possible facts (or actions) an entity (us in this case) will take based upon previous behaviours or events. Much like a chess program, albeit 1K times more sophisticated than Msoft Chess.

And the American people aren't even realizing the most ominous part of this - if it's true that they ran the fiber optic communcation cables that all internet providers use thru prisim servers before they dump into the internet servers at the known provider hubs, that is tantamount to installing a net in the mouth of every river of the world - They dont just have emails, and phone numbers, they have everything - down to the last banking transaction, photos, files we send one another, the works.... for any transmissions - including pass thru traffic on it's way to somewhere else that use a routing thru the US communication hubs. That's why the Germans are now pissed... They understand... we be reading their secrets too..

No one here in America seems to be catching on to that just yet...

"Oh RcRed, STFU, my shit is safe, I encrypt it"...

Think again. Previous NSA employee's (or contractors) BUILT the encryption software that companies sell to unsuspecting civilians.

So for those fools who use Carbonite or some other horseshit cloud based solution to back up their PC's, they just ran their systems file backups thru the prisim nets... I've been in systems work for more than 35 years - watched the internet get born, and rise to the "Tower of Babel" it is today.

As far as the inquiry - I don't think a lot will come of it initally - each of us (that have been reported) will get a letter from the TTB asking us what are our intentions are and to reply within a time frame. They will not even look to see how many have licences (after all, that's what the note is for - to harass you).

Remember, it takes money staff, and time for them to launch massive enforcement efforts - And Congress is too busy funding our enemies than any domestic programs beyond food stamps, welfare and planned arbortionhood. They can't even get the money to launch OBuffooncare. And with the IRS and DOJ crap, I think further targeting of Americans (for any reason) can be stopped with media attention. That seems to be the only thing the socialists are afrraid of - awakening the masses of sheeple to what they are doing.

All I can tell you is I have never yet met a liberal I didnt think would make a fine compost for the worm beds. And yes, I have had my coffee this morning...
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#54 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 12:39:07 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Maddawgs Go to Quoted Post
Hey Stump Juicer,
I think you have hit the nail on the head. What those scumbag marathon bombers did was take a simple pressure cooker and turn it into a bomb. What we produce in our hobby could very easily be turned into a weapon. This could be the reason for the TTB inquiry possibly at the direction of homeland security. Mayby just information gathering?
Maddawgs


No that's not what I meant, but I think they are desperate to prove that not all law breakers reside in the Oval Office an the Cabinet.
When they moved from Chicago to D.C. they took organized crime with them and now we are paying for it! Besides we could use gasoline or paint thinner to do anything that our product would do except maybe get them drunk enough to fess up to their real agenda!"
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#55 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 1:55:33 AM(UTC)
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ditto---------------------------------------------------
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#56 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 5:51:07 AM(UTC)
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I'm a long time reader, but never joined or posted. I've done the same for several boards. I too have purchased from Rick and have gotten the email. I feel that as long as you have followed some very basic precautions you ought to be ok. We all know what those "rules of the road" are and if you've ignored them, then you will have more to worry about than most.

Now, should the next logical step occur, which is most likely an email or letter, a simple, plausible and timely response would be in everyone's best interest. This isn't the time to grandstand or preach. It's the time to retreat, regroup, and proceed with tact, diplomacy and intelligence.

I've read many a post from eager, but short-sighted, hobbyist with their hackles raised saying "reach in yur drawers and make sure ya still got a pair". That type of response is exactly what they want. Show them you don't intend to follow any law you see unjust, and that your not about to hide it. What's the TTB going to do? Back off? Not likely.

This is a mufti-faceted situation and we don't know what the true motivations and goals are. We are all just speculating and worrying. Is it lost tax revenue, commercial distillery lobbyist pressure, bible thumper's, Muslim fundamentalist, political grandstanding, precursor for a political diversion, etc.?

Simply use your best judgement when and if you have any communications with someone in authority. Keep in mind that anything you say or do that is visible outside your home is data that can be used against you. Don't distribute, sell, barter or brag about your hobby. Keep a low profile and let's see what the next move is.
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#57 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 6:21:58 AM(UTC)
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I'm not fond of folks who never posted before just dropping in and voicing their opinion. Mainly because they usually are not level headed responses.

I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I LIKE THIS PERSONS ATTITUDE ON THE SUBJECT :)
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#58 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 2:05:28 PM(UTC)
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Welcome Be Mellow, you do have a good point! My hackles are up and I do have a hard time keeping it to myself, but I'll try a little harder to keep a low profile!
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#59 Posted : Saturday, June 15, 2013 3:57:08 PM(UTC)
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"What I think is after they get the addresses of all the owners under the 29.47 section. Then we all will get letters
under the 29.49 and 29.51 sections. google title 27 CFR 29.49 and 51, it has bad news from big brother"
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#60 Posted : Sunday, June 16, 2013 12:56:01 AM(UTC)
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Big Mo I can't get it to come up.
I googled it and got to the list of codes but the two you mentioned were not listed.
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