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Offline Bushy  
#81 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 4:58:26 PM(UTC)
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Obama just signed an executive order allowing the various agencies of the government complete access to any aspect of the internet without a search warrant. It also allows the sharing of the info gathered with any agency of the government without permissions or warrants.
Check it out.

http://www.conservative-...ights-over-the-internet/
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#82 Posted : Saturday, February 16, 2013 5:31:17 PM(UTC)
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Irregardless of how UN-Constitutional that is any litigation will be so far down the road it won't matter. So in my opinion you shouldn't say anything on the internet that you don't want to share with this regime. I do believe they will be looking for whatever ails them.
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#83 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:33:01 AM(UTC)
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Don't forget lots of water and ammo.


water &#8730;, ammo &#8730;, food-""in process"""
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#84 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 2:49:03 AM(UTC)
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"Don't forget just how far a 50 lb sack of Rice and a 50 lb sack of Pinto beans will take ya. Less than 40 bucks, afood for 4 for a month - All ya need is water.

Also, if ya can, grow things - You would be surprised how easy it is to grow potatoes (more hard work than any thing else), and you can go foofoo and get orangic seed taters, or just use supermarket ones (Not as disease/drought resisitant).

There are other things that can be grown, and then dried for later foodstocks as well. I've been canning for the past several years as well as ensuring there's two months food here at any time. Even if you live in a subdivision, you can do a raised box, and grow things that can be refined and traded.

As was in 1791, when they come for the guns, revolution maybe the only resort left to defend freedom - It's pretty damn obvious not one attorney in America will prosecute the violations of the constitution that have already occured and area about to occur with the 2nd Ammendment. And even if they did, we have seen the Supreme Court being loaded with those that ignore the constitution.

I'm really sorry insanity (and the lack of a supportive sytem to address it-but that ain' new either) causes vile acts of violence, but it does not give fiat to revoke my rights of legal gun ownership. What's next, my right to grow food, sheep for meat, what? That's the point, it never ends until there are only serf's and ""govenors"".

330 Million guns are in this country - Yammato said it best ""..There would be a gun behind every blade of grass""

This was in 1940 - And today it is no less true.

Stand proud, Patriots, but prepare."
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#85 Posted : Sunday, February 17, 2013 6:41:39 AM(UTC)
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Well said RoyseCityRed. The Federal Government is systematically and incrementally taking away our freedoms. I don't think most American's will wake up in time to do something about it. Too many people now are dependent on government. Self-sufficiently is one antidote for this disease.
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#86 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:44:15 AM(UTC)
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How much more evidence do you need? DHS trains to shoot pregnant women, old men, children with guns (see photos)

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(NaturalNews) I really didn't want to cover this subject, but a warning has to be issued to Natural News readers. Infowars writer Paul Joseph Watson has uncovered proof that a U.S. based company called "Law Enforcement Training, Inc." has been selling millions of dollars worth of "no hesitation" targets to the Department of Homeland Security.

These targets (see images below) are used to train DHS employees to shoot American citizens and they depict pregnant women, old men, children and even young moms with guns. The purpose of the targets, according to the company that sells them, is to "eliminate any hesitation" that U.S. government employees might normally feel in shooting to kill pregnant women, children and old men. (I'm not making this up. The government's plan to murder Americans is now right out in the open...)

InfoWars reports they have been informed the "no hesitation" targets were "strictly for Department of Homeland Security and other law enforcement agencies."

How stupid do they think we are?
This puzzle isn't difficult to assemble, folks. We've got the U.S. government already on record purchasing 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition to be used domestically, inside the united states. The government is also purchasing thousands of full-auto assault rifles, calling them "personal defense weapons."

On top of that, there are hundreds of thousands of multi-body coffins being stored right now at FEMA camp facilities, and there's also strong evidence that FEMA camps are being activated with core staff coming on line.

And then we've also got the feds saying they want Americans to turn in all their guns and completely disarm themselves so that only the government has guns.

Um... how much evidence do you need, folks? I'm just wondering how so many Americans can still be living in a state of total denial about all this. It is abundantly clear that the current occupying government of America -- which is an illegitimate occupying force of anti-constitution traitors and criminals -- literally has a plan to mass murder tens of millions of Americans by either gunning them down in the streets, or rounding them up and stuffing them info FEMA coffins (or mass graves).

This plan was openly talked about by Obama's mentor
This plan was openly talked about by one of President Obama's mentors, in fact, a key member of the "Weatherman" group of communist-leaning terrorists. Bill Ayers and his cohorts planned a communist takeover of America followed by the rounding up of resistance forces who would then be "re-educated" or terminated. This is all spelled out in great detail in this video interview of Larry Grathwohl, an undercover operative working for federal law enforcement agencies. He infiltrated the Weathermen organization and learned what they really wanted to accomplish.

Watch his testimony in this video:



From the video:

Well, what is going to happen to those people we can't re-educate? That are die-hard capitalists? And the reply was that they'd have to be eliminated. And when I pursued this further, they estimated that they would have to eliminate 25 million people in these re-education centers. And when I say eliminate, I mean kill.

Here are the images of the cardboard targets, courtesy of InfoWars.com: (story continues below)















War is coming to America
I hope you understand where this is all headed. A government does not buy 1.6 billion bullets for no reason. By my calculations, this is enough ammo to wage a 7-year war with the American people.

A government does not stage gun-related killings (Fast & Furious, Aurora, and elements of Sandy Hook were all staged) and then demand the complete disarmament of the American people for no reason.

The Department of Homeland Security does not buy cardboard targets of pregnant women, young mothers and old men for no reason. They are buying these targets because this is who they are training to kill.

The President does not issue an executive order claiming government ownership of all farms, food, livestock and farm equipment for no reason.

Keep in mind that DHS "officers" do not take an oath of office, meaning they do not swear any allegiance to the U.S. Constitution. Their only allegiance is to their paycheck and their dangerous sense of power, and that comes from the illegitimate occupying government that is now actively plotting to murder its own citizens.

Get out of your state of denial and wake up to what's happening
This has all reached the point of un-deniability. All of you who have sat back and watched this murderous police state being rolled out while you were paralyzed in a state of denial now need to come to your senses and realize this is real. Our government has been taken over and "occupied" by enemy forces who are openly attempting to destroy the Bill of Rights, eradicate the Constitution and put in place a communist / fascist system of dictatorial control.

The planned economic destruction of the USA is just one part of it. Another part is the continued brain-numbing poisoning of the people through fluoride, lobotomizing vaccines and brain-frying psychiatric drugs.

The government is trying to lull everyone into a state of denial while it puts in place a militarized police state infrastructure that will soon be "activated" to start rounding people up and killing them off -- an action which has been "legalized" by President Obama under the NDAA. The Department of Justice recently issued a 16-page memo "justifying" the secret killing of American citizens on U.S. soil.

U.S. veterans are being openly characterizes as the new "terrorists." The same designation is given to anyone who owns a gun or believes in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Democrats everywhere are practically calling for Obama to declare Martial Law, disband Congress and seize control of the entire country as an outright dictator. This is all being set up and to demonize (and then murder) anyone who resists the coming totalitarian dictatorship society.

It's now in your face and the targets are clear: Pregnant women will be shot. Young mothers with children will be shot. Old men defending their farms will be shot. Little boys will be shot. Grandmothers defending their homes will be shot. This is what DHS is training for, and anyone who does not yet realize what's happening is a fool.

Spread the word. Take action now, peacefully, while we still can. Fire every lawmaker who proposes "gun control" legislation. Impeach any President who does not abide by the Constitution. Demand accountability. Demand the government follow the laws of the land. Let your voice be heard and take all necessary precautions for yourself and your family. The day is coming when mass graves will be used in America, and all those citizens who sat around laughing it up on Facebook while living in denial will be marched to the edge of those graves and shot in the back of the head by members of their own government (DHS, TSA, etc.).

History is a bitch. Help me make sure we don't repeat it, because if we cannot restore law in America peacefully, then the only remaining option is to defend America and uphold the laws of the land through the use of force.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.c...urity.html#ixzz2LSvSU53W
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#87 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 8:26:23 AM(UTC)
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Excellent post!!!!
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#88 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 9:56:07 AM(UTC)
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Just read where a member of the Missouri Legislator has proposed a bill that would make it a felony for ANY Missouri member of the House or Senate that proposes ANY legislation that is against the 2nd Amendment. Amen.
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#89 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 11:34:32 AM(UTC)
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I think Texas is working on legislation to circumvent any changes to the 2nd Ammendment - of course, we have some nutjobs in Austin who tout the Socialists line that serfs shouldn't own guns, but by and large, heavily conservative and pro 2nd ammendment here. And pro-conservative too, I might add (suites me just fine).

Read more abut that here: http://www.foxnews.com/p...ock-federal-gun-control/

Btw - DO notice we don' have too many crazy shootings here in Texas that succeed.. Not that they ain' tried, but they just don't get far and in about 98% of the cases the perp is in a bag at the end of the day. Last one was stopped by a CCW and a police officer just two weeks after Conn- media didnt cover that, no sir...Lots of folks around here are all CCW, so it's just not even smart to mess with folks, not to mention the castle laws.

Remember that Obasturds weatherman guru clearly stated they thought twenty five millon Americans would probably have to be killed because they felt that was the number that would fight any to the end over the destruction of the Constitution and our freedoms. I think they've misjudged, and badly.
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#90 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:54:39 AM(UTC)
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Hey RC Red, I hope Perry doesn't get too many CA liberal idiots moving to TX or you'll see TX go the way of CO.

I read about the Missouri bill and had to chuckle. I think he put that bill to get on record who votes against it and knows it won't go far. It's a great move for the 2nd Amendment people though.
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#91 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:17:50 AM(UTC)
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Perry doesn't run this state .. He's just a cheerleader here BigGrin And face it, what he's selling isn't a carpetbagger's dream, it's for real - Business DOES do well here. I haven't had to look for a job in 17 years - same place (God help me). Hopefully, by the time I do, I'll be retirement age or just retire. And in that tenure, I've been able to put aside for when Social Sec. screws me because i wasn't taxed to death at the state level here.

Believe you me, this place has more dyed in the wool, stoic conservatives than in many places in the US. Only around Austin, Houston, and the universities do you find the kool-aidists...

I also offer you that those companies that are moving here hire HERE, and they are fresh outa being taxed down to the hairs on their privates, they'll be pretty damn pleased with;


  • no required unions
  • no state income tax
  • no personal prop tax on cars, boats, rv's, tractors, etc...


I will grant you that Dallas is wazzed, but it's goverend by the liberal I-want-everything-free faction, and as a result, Dallas has more empty office and convention space than the whole state combined - Point -> People got other options and simply move outa the city limits, but they don't have to move to another state.

I ain' orignally from texas - I'm from the Mtns. of Virginia, but I have never lived in a state I like more than this one. And over the course of my career, I've been
a number of duty calls from 1 to 20+ years.
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#92 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 2:31:20 AM(UTC)
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I have family in Texas and know the state pretty well. I also traveled from coast to coast and Hawaii living in a lot of states and cities. I agree with you about Texas and know that Texans have that independent spirit you don't see in a lot of state's residents.

Funny thing is, one of my best friends is from Austin and he is very conservative. I'm glad Texas puts a balance into the US's left leaning trend. It's time to get that trend stopped. Hopefully this 2nd amendment push will help.
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#93 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 7:53:58 AM(UTC)
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Very interesting... If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?

This man has put down on paper what many people are thinking but are too cautious to express openly. I hope it never comes to what he is advocating but I can certainly see where the possibility exists. God help us all if it ever does happen.

PS: Here is what Wikipedia has to say about the author:
Dean Garrison (born 1955) is a contemporary American author and crime fiction novelist. He was born in Michigan, grew up in the Indiana, Illinois, and Texas, and received his B.A. degree from Ferris State University in Big Rapids, Michigan. Garrison is a Crime Scene Technician in West Michigan. His research in the fields of crime scene investigation and Shooting Reconstruction are widely published in forensic journals under the name "D.H. Garrison, Jr."

Subject: If They Come for Your Guns, Do You Have a Responsibility to Fight?
Posted on January 3, 2013 by Dean Garrison
I feel a tremendous responsibility to write this article though I am a little apprehensive. Thinking about the possibility of rising up against our own government is a frightening thing for many of us. I am not Johnny Rambo & I will be the first to admit that I do not want to die. The reason I feel compelled to write this, however, is simply because I don't think the average American is equipped with the facts. I feel that a lot of American citizens feel like they have no choice but to surrender their guns if the government comes for them. I blame traditional media sources for this mass brainwash & I carry the responsibility of all small independent bloggers to tell the truth. So my focus today is to lay out your constitutional rights as an American, & let you decide what to do with those rights.
About a month ago I let the "democracy" word slip in a discussion with a fellow blogger. I know better. Americans have been conditioned to use this term. It's not an accurate term and it never has been a correct term to describe our form of government. The truth is that the United States of America is a constitutional republic. This is similar to a democracy because our representatives are selected by democratic elections, but ultimately our representatives are required to work within the framework of our constitution. In other words, even if 90% of Americans want something that goes against our founding principles, they have no right to call for a violation of constitutional rights.
If you are religious you might choose to think of it this way. Say that members of your congregation decide that mass fornication is a good thing. Do they have the right to change the teachings of your God? The truth is the truth. It doesn't matter how many people try to stray from it. Did I just compare our founders to God? In a way I did, but please note that I am not trying to insult anyone. For the purpose of the American Government our constitution and founders who wrote it are much like God is to believers. It is the law. It is indisputable.
Our founders did not want a "democracy" for they feared a true democracy was just as dangerous as a monarchy. The founders were highly educated people who were experienced in defending themselves against tyranny. They understood that the constitution could protect the people by limiting the power of anyone to work outside of it much better than a pure system of popularity. A system of checks and balances was set up to help limit corruption of government and also the potential for an "immoral majority" developing within the American People. We have forgotten in this country that we are ultimately ruled by a constitution.
Why is a democracy potentially just as dangerous as a monarchy? Let's look at something that Benjamin Franklin said because it answers that question more fully and succinctly than I can.
Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
Even 230+ years ago our founders were perceptive enough to realize that democracy was a dangerous form of government. How so? Because the citizens of a country can become just as corrupt as any government. We have seen evidence of this throughout history. Ask Native Americans & African-Americans if this population can become corrupt.
I think in 2012 we are seeing evidence of what Franklin was trying to tell us. Just because a majority of people may support certain ideas it does not mean that those ideas are just. In simple terms, just because most Americans love our president & voted for him, it does not mean that he has the power to go against our constitutional rights.
Next I'd like to review the text of the second amendment. It is very clear. This is the law of this land. So when Senator Feinstein or President Obama talk about taking your guns, you need to think about something. Are they honoring their sworn oath to uphold the constitution?
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State , the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed. This is a pretty clear statement. The fact is that it took 232 years for the Supreme Court to even rule on this amendment because it has never been successfully challenged. In 2008 a case of Columbia v. Heller the Supreme Court ruled that a handgun ban in Washington D.C. was unconstitutional. One also has to take this into consideration. The Supreme Court supports your right to own guns. If you want to research this decision further you can start here.

For those who try to debate the spirit of the 2nd amendment, they are truly no different from people who will try to take Biblical quotes out of context to try to support their immoral decisions. The founders were very clear on the intent of the 2nd amendment. Let me share a few quick quotes here:
The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. -Thomas Jefferson
Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth & keystone under independence. From the hour the Pilgrims landed, to the present day, events, occurrences, & tendencies prove that to insure peace, security & happiness, the rifle & pistol are equally indispensable, the very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that is good. -George Washington
The Constitution shall never be construed,.to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms. -Samuel Adams
I could find hundreds of quotes like these. This country was built on the right to bear arms. It was built on the rights of an individual to bear arms, regardless of what his government or neighbor happened to think. This is crystal clear. Ironically the people who voice their opinions against this right have their free speech protected by your guns. Without guns in this country, all other amendments become null and void, simply because "We the People" will lose our power of enforcement.

We need to keep this in mind as our "representatives" try to push gun bans. I don't care if 99% of people are in support of gun bans (which is far from the case), it is a violation of our constitutional rights, plain and simple.
A constitutional republic protects the rights of the individual even when their ideas are very much in the minority. If I were the only person in America who believed in the 2nd amendment, I would still be within my rights to call upon it. You would all think I was insane and possibly celebrate if I was gunned down, but in the end I would be the only true American among us.
Our framers were very clear on this. If my government comes to take my guns, they are violating one of my constitutional rights that is covered by the 2nd amendment.
It is not my right, at that point, but my responsibility to respond in the name of liberty. What I am telling you is something that many are trying to soft sell, & many others have tried to avoid putting into print, but I am going to say it. The time for speaking in code is over.
If they come for our guns then it is our constitutional right to put them six feet under. You have the right to kill any representative of this government who tries to tread on your liberty. I am thinking about self-defense & not talking about inciting a revolution. Re-read Jefferson's quote. He talks about a "last resort." I am not trying to start a Revolt, I am talking about self-defense. If the day for Revolution comes, when no peaceful options exist, we may have to talk about that as well. None of us wants to think about that, but please understand that a majority cannot take away your rights as an American citizen. Only you can choose to give up your rights.
Congress could pass gun ban legislation by a 90%+ margin & it just would not matter. I think some people are very unclear on this. This is the reason we have a Supreme Court, & though I do not doubt that the Supreme Court can also become corrupt, in 2008 they got it right. They supported the constitution. It does not matter what the majority supports because America is not a democracy. A constitutional republic protects the rights of every single citizen, no matter what their "elected servants" say. A majority in America only matters when the constitution is not in play.
I just wrote what every believer in the constitution wants to say, & what every constitutional blogger needs to write. The truth of the matter is that this type of speech is viewed as dangerous & radical or subversive, & it could gain me a world of trouble that I do not want. It is also the truth. To make myself clear I will tell you again. If they come for your guns it is your right to use those guns against them & to kill them. You are protected by our constitution.
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Most of the articles I am reading on the subject are trying to give you clues without just coming out & saying it. I understand that because certain things in this country will get you on a list that you don't want to be on. I may well be on that list. This blog is small & growing so I may not be there yet, but I have dreams. I also have my own list of subversives & anyone who attempts to deny my constitutional rights is on that list.
I am not the "subversive" here, it is the political representatives who are threatening to take away my inalienable rights. If they come to take my guns & I leave a few of them wounded or dead, & I somehow survive, I have zero doubt that I will spend a long time in prison & may face an execution. But I would much rather be a political prisoner than a slave.
If I go down fighting then I was not fighting to harm these human beings. I was simply defending my liberty & yours. It is self-defense & it is what our country was built on. We won our freedom in self-defense. We would not be ruled by a tyrannical government in the 1770&#8242;s & we will not be ruled in 2012 by a tyrannical government. There is no difference.
This is a case of right & wrong. As of now the 2nd amendment stands. It has never been repealed. If Feinstein or Barack have a problem with the constitution then they should be removed from office. They are not defending the constitution which they have sworn an oath to protect. It is treasonous to say the least. They would likely say the same about me, but I have the constitution, the founders, & the supreme court on my side. They only have their inflated egos.
I am not writing this to incite people. I am writing this in hopes that somehow I can make a tiny difference. I have no idea how many of my neighbors have the will to defend their constitutional rights. 2%? 20%? I am afraid that 20% is a high number, unfortunately. When push comes to shove many people may give up & submit to being ruled. I believe that our government is banking on this.
What I do know is that this country was founded by people who had balls the size of Texas & Patriotic Americans take shit off of no one, especially our own government. For evidence of that, you might research the Revolutionary War. My question is how many Patriots are left?
I would hope that our officials come to realize that, regardless of our numbers, we still exist because they are calling Patriotic Americans to action. They are making us decide if we want to die free or submit to their rule. I cannot tell you where you should stand on that. I do know that it may make the difference between living a life of freedom or slavery.
You must start thinking about this because I believe that the day is coming soon & I personally believe it has already been planned. Not all conspiracy theories are hogwash. They may throw down the gauntlet soon & my suggestion is that you prepare yourself to react.
I mean no disrespect to our elected officials but they need to understand that "We the People" will not be disarmed. If they proceed then it is they that are provoking us & we will act accordingly. We are within our rights to do so.
For those who are in support of taking the guns, you need to ask yourself a very important question, and I am not just talking about the politicians, because if you support them, you have chosen your side. Are you willing to die to take my guns?
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Through regulations, taxation, inflation of the money supply, trade restrictions, and tethers on private associations, government itself is nothing but a massive drain on prosperity. The situation has become deeply dangerous for the future of freedom in America, with young people unable to find jobs, opportunities being destroyed in sector after sector, banks and corporations living on the dole, and so many regulations that we are living under something nearly as egregious as Soviet-style central planning.

"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him --- better take a closer look at the American Indian." ~Henry Ford




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#95 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 3:28:56 AM(UTC)
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Here is an article that answers why most people won't believe that the country is going to hell in a hand basket fast.

http://www.naturalnews.c..._the_matrix_gateway.html

It is a scientific study also and a great read.
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#96 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 3:36:32 AM(UTC)
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Div4Gold - Yes, I had read and pushed that story over on "Facial Book" - btw - it is true - You can defend yourself if they come with out a warrant, or due process.

The bitch will be is all they need is words on a piece of paper.
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#97 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 8:16:37 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: okie Go to Quoted Post
Here is an article that answers why most people won't believe that the country is going to hell in a hand basket fast.

http://www.naturalnews.c..._the_matrix_gateway.html

It is a scientific study also and a great read.


I think that article just described the formative years of a liberal. I always wondered how that came about.
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#98 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 9:11:01 AM(UTC)
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...the formative years of a liberal..
A fermentation with Poop for grains is what that is...I've gotten to where I detest any Liberal.
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#99 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 12:48:32 PM(UTC)
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[COLOR="#FF0000"]A fermentation with Poop [/COLOR]for grains is what that is...[COLOR="#FF0000"][COLOR="#00FF00"]I've gotten to where I detest any Liberal.[/COLOR][/COLOR]


[COLOR="#00FF00"][COLOR="#FF0000"]I wonder if you could ever get that fermentation to bubble?[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR="#00FF00"]If it was possible then I can see how easy it would be to detest.

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[COLOR="#00FF00"][COLOR="#FF0000"]I wonder if you could ever get that fermentation to bubble?[/COLOR][/COLOR] [COLOR="#00FF00"]If it was possible then I can see how easy it would be to detest.

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