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Offline khalua  
#1 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 11:17:16 AM(UTC)
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"Ok here goes
23L carboy, 30cups white sugar, distilled water, and wine yeast
Initial readings:
balling: 31
Sg 29 I believed it to be 1.029 but idk cuz broke h/m. N couldn't recheck
Pa% 17
: burping was happening Very slow one week in abt 1 burp per min. Dh added a few handfuls of raisins. Let it slowly ferment another week
Got a new hydrometer and the sg is 1.134 I went to wash an record findings and dh added 5tsp of booster directly and stirred. :-o
So my questions are should I continue fermenting or start distilling?
At 17% pa what is the actual?
I have a megahome top air distiller, what timing should I time the process?
What should alcohol% be after first distillation?
What abt any yeast still alive?"
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#2 Posted : Tuesday, February 19, 2013 2:57:15 PM(UTC)
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"Another point I should make is og 1.029 temp was 79f/26c and final gravity was at 60/20
I dont know hoe to adjust the original sg to make it accurate"
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#3 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 1:28:57 AM(UTC)
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Another point I should make is og 1.029 temp was 79f/26c and final gravity was at 60/20

There's no way your OG was 1.029 with 13 lbs of sugar ... even if you filled your 23L carboy to the brim.

Just to be clear ... you added 30 cups (about 13 lbs
7 oz/cup) of granulated sugar (normal table sugar) for a total volume of what? ... 23 L ??
What type of yeast did you use? Baker's yeast? Wine yeast?
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#4 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 2:26:48 AM(UTC)
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Yes your right it was logically 1.129 temp adjustment to 1.1315
Yes regular white sugar
Filled to top ridge before bottle curves to neck in 23L carboy
Wine yeast.
I now understand that adding the raisins and not taking any sg readings was a rookie move but I am a rookie....so, after a night on th internet, im thinking of doing boiling method to get abv to see if I've reached my first est pa% of 17%
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#5 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 3:35:00 AM(UTC)
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"Those numbers seem more reasonable ... and the temperature adjustment to 1.1315 is correct. So your initial PA is around 20% ... this is high even for the most tolerant of yeast strains. I know high gravity washes seem really cool, but I think you'll find that many folks with some experience under thier belts will recommend against them.

I highly recommend that you keep your OG around 1.080 give or take. This is roughly about 10 lbs of sugar (about 23 cups) in a wash that has a total volume of about 22 L. You'll need some nutrients for your yeast ... I see you added 5 tsp of ""booster"" ... I'm assuming that's a standard DAP + urea energizer ... which sounds about right. For a 22 L wash, you can add about 1/8 tsp of epsom salt (to provide some magnesium).

But if you're just getting started, you should really stick to a tried and true recipe. Most of the tried and true recipes are very forgiving, and if you have any problems there are many folks who are familiar with them, so you'll always be able to get help if needed. Try a gerber, an all bran or a Birdwatcher's recipe.

Make sure you aerate your wash. You can do this by pouring the wash back and forth between two sanitized fermenting buckets for a few minutes. Don't pitch your yeast until the temperature of the wash falls into the range recommended by the yeast supplier, otherwise you may just kill them. At best, you'll shock them and they'll produce more of the stuff you don't want to drink. If you want to use an energizer, add half before you pitch, then add the other half a few days later. And keep your fermentation temperature around 72 F. It might take a bit longer to finish, but you'll get a cleaner wash (less of the bad stuff).

In the mean time, if you have another carboy, you might want to consider splitting your wash in half, then diluting to get the gravity down. If the yeast don't kick off after that, you can try repitching.

Regards,
--JB"
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#6 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 4:59:58 AM(UTC)
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OKay if I dilute into 2 carboys won't the yeast and sugar be dialuted too much? An shoud I airrate it at the same time? (sorry for the misspelling the little arrow on my cell to go back and correct won't move properly)
And what about those pesky raisins? Lol.
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#7 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:23:31 AM(UTC)
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that is about 15 pounds of white sugar and in a 6 gallon batch of water should give a potential alcohol of almost 13%
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#8 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:25:50 AM(UTC)
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"That's the idea ... you want to dilute the sugar concentration. As for the yeast, give them a day or two ... if they don't kick off, you'll have to repitch. If you do decide to repitch, follow the directions from the yeast supplier. If the directions call for a starter or rehydration, then do as they recommend.

If you split your wash in half, then add enough water so you have a total of around 7.5 gallons (about 28 L ... ~14 L per carboy) your SG should be around 1.080 (PA ~ 12%) ... give or take since some of the sugar may have been used already ... which will be much easier for your yeast than 20%.

--JB"
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#9 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 5:37:27 AM(UTC)
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If I do need to repitch can I use bakers yeast? When I first used wine yeast?
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#10 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:41:13 AM(UTC)
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I don't think that would be a problem.

I can get 2 lbs (2 x 1 lb. bags) of baker's yeast for around 4 USD ... very inexpensive. So I tend to pitch a lot. I'll use 8 tbs for a 22L wash.
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#11 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:12:04 AM(UTC)
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where are you getting it for that price ?
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#12 Posted : Wednesday, February 20, 2013 7:35:02 AM(UTC)
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Sam's Club. I just checked the current price at the local store: $4.68 ... about the cost of a few sachets of EC-1118 (depending on your source).
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#13 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 11:29:14 AM(UTC)
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WineCalc says 10 lbs sugar in 6 gal = 20% with a starting sg of 1.080
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#14 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 12:19:40 PM(UTC)
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"Hi Rat,

Originally Posted by: ratflinger Go to Quoted Post
WineCalc says 10 lbs sugar in 6 gal = 20% with a starting sg of 1.080

I agree with the SG, as I buy sugar in 10 lb bags and my typical wash is around 22 L ... I'm always very close to 1.080, give or take. But that potential alcohol can't be correct. It should be about 11% - 12%, depending on how you do the calculation (or which calculator you use). My triple scale hydrometer has the PA for 1.080 just under 11%.

--JB"
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#15 Posted : Thursday, February 21, 2013 1:27:12 PM(UTC)
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10lbs of sugar in 6 US gallons would give a potential alcohol of approximately 11.7%
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#16 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 6:05:30 AM(UTC)
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Okay, My question is...
The second carboy is not burping at all. The main is going but still slow. So should I add yeast to 2nd one? How much 3 tbsp? it's close to sg 1.080 23l
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#17 Posted : Friday, February 22, 2013 6:30:04 AM(UTC)
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"Go ahead and add the yeast ... 3 - 4 tbs should be fine.

I'm a little confused by your numbers though: 23L
1.080 ... what does the first carboy have in it?"
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#18 Posted : Monday, March 18, 2013 8:57:01 AM(UTC)
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Alrighty now, final read .999 and ran through my megahome water distiller unmodified, 4lrs Disguarding first 1/2 shot glass. Keeping the next 300ml.
Strong ? I dont know what % is now but my wine hydrometer sits below surface by 1/8"
Burns strong and blue, evaporates quickly on the fingers. What shud it smell like? Cu it's smells strong beyond rubbing alcohol.
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#19 Posted : Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11:05 AM(UTC)
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"Sounds like you had some success!

Get yourself a proof and traile hydrometer so you can measure & know what you need to dilute to drinking strength. Also, for your safety, you should check your water distiller for plastic parts, etc. and replace them with something alcohol tolerant.

Congrats!
--JB"
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